Showing posts with label La Griffon. Show all posts
Showing posts with label La Griffon. Show all posts

Monday, June 15, 2015

The Resting Place Of La Griffon Remains Unfound

The Great Lake's oldest shipwreck remains stubbornly undiscovered.

The Detroit Free Press: Experts: Shipwreck discovery not long-lost Griffin.

The search, and the hopes of many a diver and shipwreck hunter of finding the most elusive prize in the Great Lakes continue.

Friday, January 02, 2015

The Shipwreck Of The Griffon May Have Been Found


Yet another team of divers has laid claim to finding the Holy Grail of Great Lakes shipwrecks - The Griffon, the ship belonging to French explorer De La Salle that disappeared in 1679.

WZZZM13: Muskegon divers claim to find elusive "Le Griffon" shipwreck

Newser.com: Divers: We've Got 'Holy Grail' of Shipwrecks

This wreck was apparently found in 2011 and the divers waited until now to announce the find.

It may very well be the elusive Griffon,  as the bowsprit has an ornately carved Griffin and the ship allegedly matches the design and technologies of the period.

It will be interesting to see if it is confirmed to indeed be La Griffon.

It seems to be a different wreck from the one that Libert was exploring, so either one may be the ship or niether may be it and the ship may still waiting on the lake bottom to be discovered.

Tuesday, June 24, 2014

Still No Confirmation That The Elusive Griffon Shipwreck Has Been Found

The Detroit News: Explorer says Griffin shipwreck may be found in Lake Michigan

There's still no confirmation that the debris he has found in lake Michigan is La Salle's long-lost ship the Griffon or not.

The Great Lakes seems reluctant to give up the location of their longest-missing European shipwreck.

Thursday, May 08, 2014

Some Interesting Stuff Found Underwater

Seventy-one percent of the Earth is covered by water, so you can always expect to find something new, or in this case, find some things that are quite old:

In Lake Huron, an 8,000 year old caribou hunting camp, with stone walls to drive the caribou along a certain path for easier hunting has recently been found 50 feet under water. The are used to be part of a land bridge that connected Michigan and Ontario. Yes, the Great Lakes' water levels have been much lower in the past than they are now.

In San Francisco Bay, the wreck of the SS City of Chester, sunk in 1888 in a collision that took 16 lives, has been found upright in 217 feet of water. She was sunk after colliding in a fog with a Chinese vessel bringing over immigrants to the golden state.

Meanwhile, the search for La Griffon, one of the most famous and the longest missing ship in the Great Lakes continues, with a wooden beam found that may be the bowsprit of a ship, or may just be an pound net stake from an old fishing trap from the 1800s. So as of yet, there is still no definitive proof that Libert has found LaSalle's Griffin.

Monday, June 17, 2013

Probing Begins Of Possible La Griffon Wrecksite

So Far, Libert's expedition has found timbers sticking up in Lake Michigan that may indeed prove to be the masts from the Griffin.

Whatever it may prove to be, its looking more and more like a shipwreck, but it's deeper than they anticipated.

The Detroit Free Press: Remote Michigan village abuzz over shipwreck search

Divers this weekend opened a pit at the base of a wooden beam that juts nearly 11 feet from the lake bottom, believing it could be a section of the vessel, the rest presumably entombed in mud. They picked up the pace Monday with more powerful equipment after a weekend of probing showed that whatever is buried is deeper than sonar readings indicated.

U.S. and French experts insist it is too early to say whether there’s a shipwreck — let alone the Griffin. But anticipation is building at the prospect of solving a maritime puzzle that’s more than three centuries old.

Stay tuned, as it looks like they're going to keep on digging until they can prove or disprove that this is the wreck of the Griffin.

Thursday, June 13, 2013

Libert Expedition Off To Find The Griffin

Apparently the legal wrangles have been worked out or at least set aside for now and explorer Steve Libert is off to the site where he believes La Salle's famous lost ship, La Griffon / The Griffin, lies in the Great Lakes.

The Detroit News: Expedition hopes to find La Salle's long lost ship

Best of luck to Mr. Libert and crew that the expedition will be a success, and that he has indeed found the ship that has been missing for the longest period of time on the Great Lakes. If so he's on the cusp of one of the greatest maritime historical discoveries in North America.

Friday, August 13, 2010

An Agreement to Identify the Griffon?

It seems a potential deal has been struck between Steve Liebert, France and the State of Michigan to inspect the discovered wreck and determine if it is in fact the holy grail of Great Lakes Shipwrecks - LaSalles' Griffon.

The Detroit News: The Griffin? Deal struck to determine shipwreck ID
The state of Michigan, France and private divers have reached an extraordinary agreement to finally determine whether a Lake Michigan shipwreck is the Griffin, which sank in 1679.

There will be no immediate effort to remove anything from the ship. But Steve Libert, the diver who discovered it, says scientists with high-tech equipment will take images at the site.

One of the tasks will be to determine if King Louis XIV's insignia is on a cannon.
If the cannon does bear his insignia, that moves the wreck ever closer to being identified as the Griffon. if the cannon shows markings that postdate the grifon's disappearance then it will be yet another wreck thought to have been the Griffon.

Hopefully the results of the identification, and the pictures taken of the cannon and wreck are released to the public soon so we may know if the ship Mr. Liebert has found is the Griffon.

The lawsuit over title to the wreck is on hold pending the identification mission being completed - if the ship isn't the Griffon (or even more unlikely some other unidentified French ship) then France lacks an interest in the wreck and Michigan will likely be granted title to it. But if the identification shows it is a French ship or that it is the Griffon - then expect some historically significant sparks to fly.

Wednesday, February 18, 2009

LaSalle's Griffon found? - It may take a court battle to find out

Detroit News: Diver, France fight state over right to salvage historic vessel in Lake Michigan
Steve Libert went looking for buried treasure but may have found something nearly as valuable -- history.

He stumbled upon what he believes is the most important archeological find in Michigan history, the 330-year-old Griffon shipwreck. The long-sought vessel sailed by famed French explorer La Salle was one of the first ships to cross the Great Lakes.

But like Robert La Salle, another star-crossed adventurer who searched for one thing but found another, Libert's quest has encountered turbulent waters.

He's fighting Michigan over the right to salvage the shipwreck's watery grave in northern Lake Michigan. France joined the fray Jan. 30 by staking claim to the site.

The sea skirmish carries heavy repercussions in Michigan, which borders four Great Lakes and has more coastline, 3,165 miles, than any state but Alaska. A federal law that gives Michigan ownership of 1,500 shipwrecks in state waters discourages entrepreneurs from discovering the vessels and their rich history, divers said.

"This is one of the most sought-after ships in the world," Libert said. "The state should be working with us, not against us."

The Griffon shows the folly of the federal rule, said divers.

If it wasn't for Libert, the prized ship would have remained buried under three centuries of sand, silt and history, they said.

Its possible discovery could open a long-shuttered hatch to the earliest days of the European settlers, helping researchers learn what the times and people were like by providing a snapshot of the era.
Federal law defended

But state officials defend the federal law, saying it allows Michigan to protect the shipwrecks from being plundered by profiteers. "They shouldn't be plucked for profit," said Matt Frendewey, a spokesman for the Michigan Attorney General's Office. "They should be protected so future generations can enjoy them."
Never mind that without Libert, no one would even know it was there to be protected.

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Despite its modest attributes, the importance of the Griffon was shown by the discovery of another La Salle ship off the coast of Texas in 1995.

The Belle, which sank seven years after the Griffon, yielded a rich bounty, a million artifacts that allow researchers to reach across 300 years of history.

Among the items: skeletal remains, brass Jesuit rings, wooden lice combs, three-pronged forks, an unbroken wine bottle, three bronze cannons with the crest of King Louis XIV.

"The Griffon is the jewel of the shipwreck search community," said Wayne Lusardi, Michigan's maritime archaeologist. "Many people have been looking for it many years."

Finding the Holy Grail of shipwrecks was hardly on Libert's mind when he began scuba diving 30 years ago.

An intelligence analyst with the Navy, the 55-year-old resident of Herndon, Va., near Washington, once searched for wrecks of ships that carried gold.

Always intrigued by the long-lost Griffon, he began reading the journals of a La Salle associate and believed the ship had foundered somewhere off the coast of Escanaba in the Upper Peninsula.

Diving near Escanaba in 2001, Libert was swimming through water so murky that visibility was 3 inches.

Nearly 100 feet below the surface, he bumped into a wooden pole protruding from the lake bottom.

"I had my hands out, like I was walking in the dark, when suddenly I hit this thing," he said. "I couldn't figure out what it was."

He now believes the mussel-covered timber is the bow tip of the Griffon.

He retrieved a thumb-sized sliver of the wood and conducted a carbon-dating test, which showed a 33 percent chance that it came from the 17th century.
Dispute drags on

When Libert tried to win the right to salvage the Griffon, he ignited a turf battle with Michigan that has been as tempestuous as any Lake Superior gale. The state says federal law gives it ownership over shipwrecks in its waters.

Libert said international law awards possession to the owner, which would be France because the ship sailed on behalf of the French crown. He has France's permission to salvage the site.

During a four-year legal battle in federal court, a judge has tried to get Libert and Michigan to work together on identifying the ship.

But working together is the last thing on their minds.

Libert surrendered the wood sliver to Michigan only after the state threatened to obtain a federal warrant against him. He told the state the location of the wreck only after being ordered to do so by the federal judge.

As for Michigan, it threatened to charge Libert with a crime if he extracted any more material from the wreckage.

State has doubts

After examining the site in October, the state said it found only the wooden pole and doubts the Griffon is there.
If they doubt it is really there, then what claim can they make to prevent Libert from exploring the site?

During the fight, Libert has enlisted a growing number of allies, including France, the city of Charlevoix and the Field Museum in Chicago.

"I'm at the point where I'm now on the attack," he said. "I won't sit back anymore."


Good luck to Liebert, it's hard fighting against an organization with unlimited resources but with luck he will have found the historic Griffon. Assuming it is the Griffon, Liebert will have made history with this find.